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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode 406 for the 30 thirst of July

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2016 Richardson is here with you from

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Planet Earth because according to some

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um cult doomsday is out there I think

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the world was supposed to end yesterday

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if it did and I didn't notice well I've

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been very busy lately but I'll just look

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out the window seems to be still there I

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think we're okay I think we're okay

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every F is it every year we get an end

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of the world doomsday prediction loosely

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based around some scripture or other

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yeah yeah I probably more than once a

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year probably a lot that you don't hear

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about it's getting a little bit tedious

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folks but tedious isn't a word I'd use

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for the skeptics and I hope not anyway

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and I have a little correction from last

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week's episode actually I gave the year

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last week as being 2015 I don't know why

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if you listen back you'll hear me saying

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it's 2015 yeah maybe that's when the

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world ended I don't know it's definitely

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2016 and this is the show for the 31st

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of July 2016 yes 2016 and coming up on

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the show this week I speak to Fiona

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O'Leary from Cork in Ireland who has

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gained a very quick notoriety lately she

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received a letter from a cinema chain i

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think it was in the united states all

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the way to ireland threatening her

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because of her outspoken criticism of

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the movie vax the andrew wakefield

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documentary about the evils of

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vaccination and its links to autism well

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we know the story there now fiona is

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involved heavily involved with the

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autistic community and autistic issues

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so to receive this letter from people

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associated with vax basically telling

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her to shut up did not sit well with

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Fiona all know and this story has gone

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viral and we're helping it to go viral

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and fiona is the first interview coming

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up on this week's episode of the skeptic

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and interesting at the same time and on

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the show notes there are many links

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associated with this story and indeed

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since recording the story Fiona and her

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friends have set up a new facebook page

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i think or at least a newer youtube

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channel anyway check out the links at

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skeptic zone TV for more information

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after hearing our interview with Fiona

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O'Leary and after the break we go all

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the way to Scotland Edinburgh Scotland

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where we chat to the Scottish skeptics

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the Edinburgh skeptics north of the

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border what's their story and watch

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coming up very soon now at the famous

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fringe festival in Edinburgh concerning

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skepticism you'll find they're very busy

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very busy i wish i could be there it

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fun a lot of fun I think you'll enjoy

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skeptics band around off the show more

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of maynard at this wonderful 80s tour

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he's been doing it's all over now and

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he's earned a very nice rest feet up may

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not have a rest I have at the other week

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in Melbourne after the show he invited

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some skeptics backstage so a bit of fun

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a bit of light-hearted fun to win this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone with

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Maynard backstage with some of the stars

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from the 1980s and some special

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skeptical guests along the way and a big

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thank you to Metropolis touring at

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metropolis touring com who were the

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promoters for this tour for being so

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for a couple of the events to help out

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may not and I had a feeling from the

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whole ensemble that it was just a really

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really wonderful experience for

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everybody concerned and if you go to

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Maynard Comte you you can hear more

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highlights and see some videos from

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behind the scenes of that tour now a few

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notes from me before we get into the

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show you may remember on a previous

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episode of the skeptic zone in fact only

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a couple of weeks ago show 404 for the

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17th of July 2016 we interviewed vet

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Danny chambers who you will recall

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homeopathy and there was a segment I

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played in the interview where he Danny

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was on BBC and another vet came on

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promoting homeopathy claiming that it

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could cure cancer in dogs will our

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friends at skeptics with a que that's a

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wonderful podcast have looked into this

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claim and gone got into the details

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there and I can really recommend you

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number 177 from only a few weeks ago and

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you'll hear the gobsmacking lunacy look

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up your thesaurus for other words

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meaning stupidity of these homeopaths

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and why they were prescribing certain

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remedies for dogs to cure their cancer

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it's um it's beyond Monty Python it

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really is it should be in the fringe

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comedy first of all this anyway i can

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recommend you listen to skeptics with a

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que regardless and here's the latest

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update to the story we've been covering

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for many months now in various forms the

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no jab no pay legislation by the

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government here in Australia which means

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that if if you don't have your kids up

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to date with their immunization there

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are certain benefits may be withheld

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from you well a correspondent that we

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quote quite often on the skeptics own

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Jane Hansen writing in The Sunday

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Telegraph newspaper reports a major win

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for children and a big win for no jab no

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pay more than 5,700 former anti-vaxxers

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have immunized their kids since the law

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came into effect so that's great news

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that in the show notes at ever at

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skeptics and TV but that's enough for me

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at the moment I'm going to run

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downstairs I'm going to see if there's a

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slice of lemon meringue pie in the

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fridge oh my lemon meringue pie an oldie

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but a goodie mmm

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and joining me now from West Cork in

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Ireland I think some of my ancestors

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is great thank you now folks Fiona Leary

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caught my attention the other day when I

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was scrolling through Facebook and I

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came across this video you did Fiona and

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as of the time of recording which is

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earlier in the week as to win the

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skipped exam goes out but anyway this

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views now Fiona your story revolves

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around your work and advocacy for people

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with autism and your fight against the

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anti-vaccination crowd but what is your

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background Fiona and well basically I I

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have asked Burgess I'm on the autistic

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campaigning it's very hard to get

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support for your children in general so

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unproven and unregulated products being

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absolutely dangerous one of them is a

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bleach treatment called a miracle

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mineral solution mms which is basically

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chlorine dioxide bleach and children are

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quite cures and really to the most

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terrifying degree and so I started

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campaigning in that area really focusing

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basically to make it more other movement

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to try and bring about legislation to

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protect autistic people from these

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dangers and regulated products and we've

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huge awareness all around the world

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people you know offering these products

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their medical license that some of the

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doctors that were actually advocating

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this product so that has been very good

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but we're still in a position where we

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don't have any proper legislation to

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make it a criminal offense so these

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without being prosecuted so that's a

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very important part of that that is also

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led me to speak out against this

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anti-vaccine to the cause for these

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products developing because parents have

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been told that their children are vexing

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damaged and that they can recover their

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children from autism by giving them

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these biomatter and then this

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and grown and it's now a huge money

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making industry so parents believe that

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you know that they can basically recover

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their children because they've been

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vaccine damaged and an Andrew Wakefield

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is still doing this today even though he

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was a stripped of his medical license in

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2010 cut his studies and his research

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was proven to be false and he went to

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America from the UK and still continued

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on and you know delivering this

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misinformation and fear-mongering to

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parents worldwide and now today he's

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stronger than he ever was before he's

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this year and basically a propaganda

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terrifying message you know this is your

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child it's been damaged by this fact

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thing that's why they're autistic and

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I'm here to speak out on that issue and

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I think that it's a very serious issue

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not just in relation to autism buttons

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for Humanity because we know that

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vaccines they've lives we know that

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they're there to protect our children

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and we know that children are dying

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because they're not getting these

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vaccinations and we know that vaccines

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do not cause autism that has been proven

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multiple times scientifically but our

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real doctors and real scientists and

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that's why I am doing what I'm doing I'm

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doing this because first of all the

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autistic community are being harmed by

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this terrible fear mongering and

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secondly then we have children whose

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lives are being put at risk and I

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spelled the message that's been sent by

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am the vax team and wakefield and his

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cohorts is that anything is better than

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having an autistic child and they were

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also affecting the whole of society

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because if we don't have herd immunity

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other people are going to get ill it's

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not just about their individual child we

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need to have a herd immunity protect

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get vaccines they're just not able to

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have them so we have to think about

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everybody and and that's why I'm doing

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what I'm doing and obviously as you know

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I've received an incredible backlash for

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speaking out and had a recent

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threatening letter well of course this

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is the the main reason that we're

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chatting today but what was it Fiona

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what was it you think that really set

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them off about you and have them send

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this letter with that legal threats um

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because then they're all connected I

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suppose that's the point I want to make

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I've spoken out on other doctors in the

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past dr. Bradstreet he was a doctor that

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was actually you know heavily involved

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in giving these unproven treatments to

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children he was raided last year in

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America by the FDA because he was giving

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a live unregulated blood product really

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really dangerous GC enough is its name

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to autistic children and he the day

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after he was raided he he took his own

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life which is terrible i want to say

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that it was an awful thing however i had

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been very vocal on that issue also

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especially him because when we see

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registered doctors involved in these

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quack treatments that's really really

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worried to us because parents believe

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they are you know getting the

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professional help and they trust them

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and this is happening here in Ireland as

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well we had a doctor here in Northern

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Ireland who was actually registered and

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was actually prescribing this bleach

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treatment to autistic children writing

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out a physical prescription and he was

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stripped of his medical license last

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year rightly so but what happens to

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these doctors is that when they lose her

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license it doesn't stop them they can

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still practice on in a quack kind of way

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and

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dr. Bradstreet his death caused huge

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uproar in the activex movement I mean I

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was sent emails I had people saying it

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was blood on my hands because I spoke

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out know that he was murdered basically

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by big farmer but none of that is true

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and so I've got a bit of a reputation I

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suppose for want of a better word for

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being you know very passionate and very

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vocal on the rights of autistic people

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and and they've kind of linked this to

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wait field because if you go back in

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time Andrew Wakefield was actually

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working with this doctor Bradstreet when

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he moved to the US first so I mean there

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is a connection there my point is the

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antivenin the the debunk claim that

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Wakefield created about the MMR that is

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all linked to all these other people

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using these products they're all part of

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a circle and it's not that big that's

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what I want to say it is quite a small

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closely knit circle but they're all

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standing with each other so if one

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doctor is you know set upon or expose

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the other one will hear about that and

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that's what's happened to you that's why

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I feel I got the letter so maybe they

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thought she's you know she's she's

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stupid or maybe they thought look she's

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a woman we can bully her in but maybe

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she'll back down as you know that was

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not the case and I came out I'm very

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transparent I want to keep children safe

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and I spoke out and I made that video

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you know to show vexed and she showed

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the team that I'm not going to be

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bullied I'm not gonna be intimidated and

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if they want to sue me bring it on

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because I have done nothing wrong I have

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not slammed them this is not defamation

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like they claim because everything I

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said is true I'm basically echoing all

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the statements that they are making in

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videos there's just so many videos of

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them stating these crazy claims do not

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vaccinating children is one stay away

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from pediatricians they are dangerous

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which is absolutely terrifying and then

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other things like you've got a rise up

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and use your guns to you know fight this

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issue promotion of violence it's just

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shocking Richard Dunn dem and it's my

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right like they harp on about freedom of

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speech or be here is mr. Wakefield

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saying freedom of speech I've a right to

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express my views but when an autistic

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person stands up and says well actually

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I have an opinion we're threatened we're

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bullied and we're intimidated it's

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pretty

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which coming from the vaccine to make a

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statement and that to me when they are

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all the time complaining about not being

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able to have their opinions heard and

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there's no that there's nobody stopping

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Andrew Wakefield from putting his film

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on YouTube which you can show to the

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whole world but he won't do that why

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because it's all about money because

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they want to make money and that's

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what's going on here there is huge money

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the merchandise you know the continuous

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we need donations for our tour the bus

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all this stuff and they never talk about

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the deaths of these innocent children

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who don't choose to die you know the

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babies that end up in hospital blinded

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by measles with encephalitis some of

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them you know end up being disabled

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because of these awful diseases and then

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many die we know in 2014 there was one

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hundred and fourteen thousand deaths

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from these rules and most of them are in

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children under the age of five I'd like

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them to talk about those children but

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they never do they never mentioned those

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children's yes you're absolutely right

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they don't tend to mention those people

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or if they do sometimes they will

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downplay the seriousness of the diseases

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in question or we'll just won't even

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admit to these diseases at all as

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bizarre as that that sounds but I think

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you'll find as we find here in Australia

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there are a lot of people very

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well-meaning people who think they are

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on the right thing who found a crusade

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but they're hopelessly misguided of

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course but the letter you received in

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the end was from a cinema yeah I

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received a letter and basically from

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cinema libre in california and they are

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the the film company that distribute

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this film that's that was from it was

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from philip dr's so he's the CEO of

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cinema libro and you know probably a

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well-respected film distributor i don't

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know much about them myself i loved

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movies but i am yeah it was really it

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was really frightening because I'm you

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know he said he was writing on behalf of

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andrew wakefield and poly Tommy and

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dolby truehd are the three people

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involved in this movement basically and

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it said that they're accusing the other

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defamation campaign so that's what I've

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been accused of which I completely say

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that was completely incorrect like I

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said I'm echoing

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everything that these people are saying

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so it is not defamation okay what

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they're saying is what they're saying

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and then I'm doing this as an effort to

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harm their business and I really want to

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focus on that word because i'm

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highlighting it again that it is a

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business for them this is about money

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it's not about actually you know

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informing people it's about making money

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so they have said that it's an effort to

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harm their business if I don't comply

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with their demand I mean these are the

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coaching the letter here they will take

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action and they don't say legal action

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they just say they will take action and

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basically they will sue me for damages

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and financial compensation for loss of

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them money if people don't turn up at

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the cinema basically I mean it's

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absolutely crazy crazy is right so you

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receive this letter threatening legal

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action yeah you went I think you and

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more or less straight online and made a

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video which has subsequently been seen

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as i said before by thousands of people

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and since then wow this story has gone

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viral and ballistic i'm pleased to say

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you've made the newspapers in ireland

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there are other blogs writing about it

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skeptical blogs eye contact to you

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myself so it's nice to know there is a

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some support there for you yeah the

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support has been great and I really want

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to thank the science community really

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you know the people that know what

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they're talking about I haven't with the

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facts and the evidence they have come

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out in you know I i have received so

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many wonderful messages all around the

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world including from yourself Richard

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and it's just been I don't you know I'm

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not afraid of these people and but

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having that support around me is is

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really important right now and I've had

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some people lawyers actually contact me

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offering me free legal advice so that's

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great you know if it comes to it that

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this goes further then obviously you

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know I will need to get my ducks in a

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row so to speak but I'm not afraid I'm

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not afraid of andrew wakefield I'm not

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afraid of these people and I want to

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make that clear to them today that em

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they've gotten away with a lot over the

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last 20-odd years they really really

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have it's shocking actually and the

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bullying and the exploitation of

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autistic people and we're not taking it

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anymore and you know we have the

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evidence than we have sites with us they

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don't have that you know and if it goes

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into a court of law they're only going

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to you know

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end up worse off than war before I I

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don't think I hope that they won't take

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that risk because it's not about me

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going to corporate us about the distress

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that would cause my family you know

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which is which is wrong they shouldn't

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be picking on a on an autistic woman in

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wescott with five kids absolutely

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disgusting behavior it really really is

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and em you know if this film company

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can't handle healthy criticism of a film

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then they shouldn't be in the business

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either and I suppose that's what people

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are very angry about is that am this

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Philip Diaz this CEO should welcome

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criticism if he was really good at what

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he's doing you know it's important to

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hear feedback from people you know the

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autistic community and you know we don't

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we don't make anything out this you know

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that so we can't do the big websites you

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know the big kind of glossy videos which

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is what they're doing here so we're

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trying our best to fight back we start

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off with our own iPhones and doing

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videos ourselves we don't have that same

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platform that they have but we do have

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passion and we are going to fight and

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and them it's just a matter of exposing

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them and that's what we're here to do to

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warn society about what this movement is

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doing because they are going on tour

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they're going on Wednesday I think that

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they're going out in a bar sterling to

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be touring the whole of America chocking

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out merchandise to people well folks

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what I'm going to do there are so many

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links now regarding the story links to

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newspapers blogs videos and all sorts of

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things I'm going to include those in the

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show notes for this week it's going to

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be quite a an extensive show note

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section but apart from that fear and a

545
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where should people visit well we have a

546
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,960
website autistic rights together daei

547
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and if you go on our website you'll get

548
00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:11,159
all my contact information we're on

549
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Facebook autistic rights together and

550
00:22:17,899 --> 00:22:15,899
I'm on Facebook Fiona O'Leary so we're

551
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:17,909
always posting and updating really on

552
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,700
facebook on Twitter as well so if anyone

553
00:22:25,159 --> 00:22:22,559
has any questions they can contact our

554
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:25,169
website by email or by phone we're here

555
00:22:29,269 --> 00:22:27,090
to help and or they can reach me on

556
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:29,279
Facebook we just we just try to keep

557
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:33,090
this ongoing every day because i know

558
00:22:35,749 --> 00:22:34,769
that this movement is not going away and

559
00:22:37,220 --> 00:22:35,759
I know they're trying to actually get

560
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:37,230
the film into Ireland as we speak and

561
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into the UK and into your country

562
00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:41,470
they're basically trying to bring it all

563
00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:43,960
the world and this is not about freedom

564
00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:45,190
of speech I wanted to make that clear

565
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,340
this is about protecting children who

566
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don't have a voice ok they're not

567
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choosing to get the measles they're not

568
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choosing to get you know whooping cough

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all these horrible diseases they don't

570
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want them and i will keep speaking out

571
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and that until something is done and i

572
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won't stop well beyond oh my goodness

573
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it's good to know the international

574
00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:05,620
scientific and skeptical community has

575
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rallied around you and come to your aid

576
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I know you're getting lots of letters

577
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,720
and messages of support from from well

578
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,280
from people from all around the world

579
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who are also very concerned with this

580
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issue and I think we'll have to catch up

581
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with you soon to find out how things are

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progressing and I tell you what fear and

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i'll post over to Ireland a copy of Maya

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DVD origami I am sure you and your kids

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will enjoy that well thanks Richard I'm

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really grateful to all you guys I think

587
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you do marvelous work and you know we

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share your blog's all the time as well

589
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because that's what we need to do it's

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really about passing information to each

591
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other to educate people really that's

592
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the biggest problem is lack of education

593
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on this issue but thank you so much for

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having me Richard I'm very very grateful

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thank you but for now Fiona O'Leary from

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and joining me now from one of the

605
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places I love very much indeed all the

606
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way from Edinburgh in Scotland we have

607
00:25:00,869 --> 00:24:56,399
mark bentler and sean slater hello hello

608
00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:00,879
very good well evening TX it's a good

609
00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:02,830
morning from me and it's a good evening

610
00:25:08,729 --> 00:25:04,389
from you I know I sound like the two

611
00:25:09,899 --> 00:25:08,739
rounds now do you Ronnie yes folks as we

612
00:25:11,699 --> 00:25:09,909
do this interview it's early morning

613
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,709
here in Sydney Australia but I think

614
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:14,080
it's rather late ish in the evening in

615
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:16,570
Edinburgh in Scotland and I'll but I

616
00:25:19,979 --> 00:25:17,769
better ask the question what's the

617
00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:19,989
weather like it's not been too bad today

618
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:21,820
actually for a change there's an old

619
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saying about whether in Scotland I I

620
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rather enjoyed somewhere in Scotland

621
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this year i believe it was a Wednesday I

622
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have been to Edinburgh a verb Oh quite a

623
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few times not not too recently sadly in

624
00:25:41,819 --> 00:25:39,999
fact i took part one time in the mid 90s

625
00:25:43,949 --> 00:25:41,829
in the Edinburgh Science Festival where

626
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:43,959
I went to a water divining day which was

627
00:25:49,469 --> 00:25:46,809
which was quite interesting so I good

628
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,479
memories of Scotland now you have

629
00:25:52,589 --> 00:25:51,279
contacted me and I've contacted you it's

630
00:25:55,289 --> 00:25:52,599
been going on for a little while now

631
00:25:58,379 --> 00:25:55,299
we've been meaning to do this and I want

632
00:26:00,659 --> 00:25:58,389
you to let our audience know especially

633
00:26:03,149 --> 00:26:00,669
the audience who are listening in the UK

634
00:26:05,729 --> 00:26:03,159
about the upcoming fringe but before we

635
00:26:08,579 --> 00:26:05,739
get to that who can tell me a little bit

636
00:26:12,469 --> 00:26:08,589
about the Edinburgh skeptics and well

637
00:26:15,749 --> 00:26:12,479
edimo skeptics was founded in 2009 by

638
00:26:18,659 --> 00:26:15,759
ash price following a suggestion from

639
00:26:22,529 --> 00:26:18,669
Chris French actually and one of the

640
00:26:26,729 --> 00:26:22,539
first skeptics groups in the UK so been

641
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:26,739
going in seven years now and I think not

642
00:26:30,779 --> 00:26:28,450
sure whether the fringe run was done in

643
00:26:33,659 --> 00:26:30,789
2009 that may have started a year later

644
00:26:35,729 --> 00:26:33,669
but yeah we've we've been doing lots and

645
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:35,739
lots of events over well many years now

646
00:26:39,749 --> 00:26:37,690
one of the other things we've been doing

647
00:26:42,989 --> 00:26:39,759
recently is getting more involved with

648
00:26:45,989 --> 00:26:42,999
outreach in the local area so we had a

649
00:26:48,449 --> 00:26:45,999
stall at a local festival called Medicus

650
00:26:50,699 --> 00:26:48,459
festival held on the meadows it's a

651
00:26:53,719 --> 00:26:50,709
large park and open space in the center

652
00:26:56,879 --> 00:26:53,729
of the city and people from everywhere

653
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:56,889
bring their stalls and sell their wares

654
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:59,010
and promote themselves and what

655
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,020
things we noticed was that there was an

656
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:04,400
awful lot of whoo at the festival we saw

657
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:07,230
chiropractors we saw people selling

658
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,380
homeopathy and other types of alts mad I

659
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,600
believe there was some kind of Dragon

660
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,400
crystals or something showing you might

661
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:16,740
remember that got a walk around the

662
00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:19,050
festival and it was unbelievable some of

663
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,670
the stuff a lot of it was this famous

664
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,080
regular stuff but i would say about

665
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:24,600
everything 10th stall was selling some

666
00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:27,870
sort of weird crystal lore goes well

667
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,150
silencer I've been decided we wanted to

668
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:32,100
bring some rationality to this festival

669
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:35,490
so we had a stall and we had Flyers to

670
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,290
promote ourselves and the group and what

671
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,600
we do we also have some fun science

672
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:41,640
demonstrations so Sean didn't

673
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:44,040
demonstration of homeopathy how it's

674
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:47,940
made we did water divining and talking

675
00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:51,480
about the ideomotor effect we also did

676
00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:54,150
some applied kinesiology using the

677
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:55,920
techniques which I believe you

678
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,110
demonstrated Richard for the video for

679
00:28:03,020 --> 00:27:59,520
the good thinking society which I

680
00:28:05,150 --> 00:28:03,030
earlier together yeah so I use your

681
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:05,160
techniques and from that talking about

682
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:08,190
ready esting was really fun and so many

683
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:10,050
people came to us that weekend to say

684
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:12,120
we're into this kind of thing but we

685
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:13,770
didn't know you existed and it was

686
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,540
really nice to build more of community

687
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:17,640
and we had some great conversations as

688
00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:19,140
well while war there was some of the

689
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:21,390
people come to the stall were rather

690
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:24,090
less skeptical we shall say um and I

691
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:25,710
won't say they wanted an argument but

692
00:28:30,770 --> 00:28:27,510
they wanted robust discussion and some

693
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:30,780
of them were friendly some of them not

694
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,550
so but nobody was there we never felt

695
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:34,020
threatened we never felt dangerous or

696
00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:35,930
anything it was actually really good fun

697
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:38,040
one of the best things that she did when

698
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:40,530
it bakes chalkboard a whiteboard up and

699
00:28:45,380 --> 00:28:43,170
one of the one of the the presenters we

700
00:28:47,420 --> 00:28:45,390
had doing this tour with us had the idea

701
00:28:50,420 --> 00:28:47,430
to write up free wine and in brackets

702
00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:50,430
and small letters homeopathic and of

703
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:52,920
course when they came to the stall week

704
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:56,760
8 i'm a glass of water and hang on and

705
00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:58,020
that was a brilliant conversation

706
00:29:02,720 --> 00:28:59,400
starter we got a lots and lots of people

707
00:29:05,530 --> 00:29:02,730
coming up for this freeway oh I'm

708
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:05,540
surprised that wasn't free whiskey

709
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:08,310
that's a very good point we really

710
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,050
dropped the ball on that was sure oh

711
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:12,000
this at Edinboro everybody drinks wine

712
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:12,450
at

713
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:15,570
a cosmopolitan right here you see will

714
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:17,820
they go you know red and white wine it's

715
00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:19,260
incredible how much have gone out in the

716
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:22,920
city so mark are their regular events

717
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:24,570
like skeptics in the pub yeah absolutely

718
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:26,700
we do we're monthly skeptics in the pub

719
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:29,370
events we have also just brought back

720
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,190
our monthly social events where you know

721
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:33,720
we have more of a community feel and we

722
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:37,080
can just talk and have fun i'm sure i

723
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:39,030
guess i'll let you go talk about your

724
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:42,030
film night as well yeah we started how I

725
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:43,620
got involved in the group actually I

726
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:46,410
have a better a passion for movies and I

727
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:48,150
thought was so many great films out

728
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:49,590
there we could bring to the skeptics

729
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:51,090
which we do my started about a year ago

730
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:54,450
my regular film a and we get we actually

731
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:56,010
do in conjunction with a British Science

732
00:30:00,980 --> 00:29:59,220
Association and they got really good

733
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:00,990
contact they help us find speakers and

734
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,060
we try and put a speak it on with a

735
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:05,820
rough sort of topic up there will be

736
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:08,460
shown and the themes in the film so so

737
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:09,750
it's what really well we gave quite a

738
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:11,820
good audience for that yeah I'm pleased

739
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,490
to know that that's going on I had the

740
00:30:19,550 --> 00:30:17,340
pleasure of giving a talk to the

741
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Edinburgh skeptics who i think it was

742
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:22,410
around twenty twelve or twenty thirteen

743
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,250
i happen to be in in scotland in fact i

744
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,520
was on my way to QED at the time i went

745
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:31,740
via scotland which is what you have to

746
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:33,690
do if you go to the UK you have to do

747
00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:35,610
everything why is colin and i had the

748
00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:37,920
pleasure in fact i think that and i met

749
00:30:42,170 --> 00:30:39,420
up with my good friend richard wiseman

750
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,180
there and did an interview with him so

751
00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:44,880
yes I've got very fond memories of a

752
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:47,430
veteran borough of course now let's get

753
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:49,380
to this information coming through about

754
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:51,660
the involvement that the Edinburgh

755
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:53,390
skeptics will have in the upcoming

756
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:56,310
fringe maybe Sean what is this fringe

757
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,870
all about for people who listening

758
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,460
around the world who may not know about

759
00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:02,880
it well the French is a festival that

760
00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:04,680
grew out to the official Edinburgh

761
00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:07,800
Festival back in 1947 I believe it

762
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:09,990
started and the fringe would put on on

763
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:12,210
the edge for performers who didn't get

764
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,580
an official license and it's grown and

765
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:16,320
grown and grown I'm sure your listeners

766
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:17,910
will be familiar with the amount of

767
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:19,530
comedians have come out of a Monty

768
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,260
Python stuff like that and the fringe is

769
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:24,240
now a huge huge event it's reckoned to

770
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:25,710
be one of the biggest arts festivals in

771
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:26,340
the world

772
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:29,470
and as part of that we wanted to get

773
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:31,540
involved it's a real real major part of

774
00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:33,970
the culture away for the city and we

775
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:35,140
thought the skeptics should really be

776
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:36,550
heavily involved in that whatever we can

777
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:38,980
I putting on our own events and in the

778
00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:40,210
fringe we've actually got some really

779
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:42,580
really good speakers some of them are

780
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:44,620
gonna be very familiar to your audience

781
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:46,060
one of them's Michael Marshall or

782
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:48,790
Marshall masik skeptics yes one of these

783
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:50,710
people who does hundreds of talks but

784
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:53,680
such a such a good speaker we've got

785
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:55,870
karani who's a science rates rated and

786
00:32:02,400 --> 00:31:58,330
broadcaster we've got Chris French you

787
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:02,410
i'm sure most of you know star this year

788
00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:04,630
probably certainly the one being spread

789
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:06,340
to get the biggest audience is david not

790
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,790
and i'm not sure if anybody that you how

791
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:11,200
many of your listeners will be familiar

792
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:15,070
with him he was a government advisor on

793
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:18,940
drugs who put forward a suggestion of

794
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:20,740
decriminalization mark would that be

795
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:23,280
right it was more you want to hear

796
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:26,820
personalization regime yeah not just a

797
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:29,170
decriminalization but but also looking

798
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:32,230
into how you classify drugs as dangerous

799
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:34,270
or not dangerous and then you know the

800
00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:36,670
legal aspects of what comes into that in

801
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,870
terms of classification and he basically

802
00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:42,640
produces you know very very good a

803
00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:47,160
skeptical kind of statistical be led

804
00:32:52,790 --> 00:32:49,780
looked at drugs and the harm that they

805
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,800
can cause and yeah he was fired by the

806
00:32:57,690 --> 00:32:55,120
labour government at the time for

807
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:57,700
basically proving mathematically that it

808
00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:01,120
was you had more chance of dying riding

809
00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:03,340
a horse and he did taking ecstasy and

810
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:06,220
you can't go around using fat sir when

811
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:08,380
ideologies involved so yeah he was fired

812
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:11,530
hmm if you do them both at once maybe

813
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:15,310
that's the problem i don't know that

814
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:17,770
certainly wouldn't help but anyway we've

815
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:21,700
got 23 speakers or 23 events / 23

816
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:24,460
consecutive nights and i don't know how

817
00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:26,530
many of your audience put on shorts for

818
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:27,820
skeptics around the world whether the

819
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:30,070
considering that but i have to do a

820
00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:31,960
shout out to you and Lee me who's our

821
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:35,790
chair available skeptics urine has been

822
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:37,810
organizing most of this he spent an

823
00:33:41,549 --> 00:33:39,490
awful lot of time and awful

824
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:41,559
ofr and I think we should make sure you

825
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:43,450
get some mention it sounds like a really

826
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:45,010
fine idea to me and just as an aside

827
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:47,350
ladies and gentlemen listen to the

828
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:49,090
skeptic zone you would be familiar with

829
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,870
our friend Tim Ferguson from the Doug

830
00:33:58,020 --> 00:33:54,640
Anthony all-stars who comes on to the

831
00:33:59,820 --> 00:33:58,030
skeptic zone from time to time and there

832
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,830
they dug into the all-stars are just

833
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:02,640
about to jet off as I understand to do a

834
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:05,580
the fringe in embryo which is fantastic

835
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:07,720
sounds good yeah we you should tell us

836
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:11,260
when that is oh I will I will in fact

837
00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:13,240
folks in general I'll put it that in the

838
00:34:19,470 --> 00:34:16,840
show notes Tim Ferguson's a fine man and

839
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:19,480
a good skeptic and he often comes on on

840
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:22,230
the show to talk about issues regarding

841
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:25,389
skepticism and his own health issues I I

842
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:27,700
guess I'll have to ask you this and I

843
00:34:31,649 --> 00:34:29,290
suppose it's the question everybody

844
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:31,659
would ask Scottish skeptics have you

845
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,050
been to Loch Ness mark I have not been

846
00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:39,040
to hand in your cards hand in your card

847
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:43,480
d no we are we moved up my wife and I II

848
00:34:49,649 --> 00:34:45,940
just over two years ago now and I think

849
00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:49,659
our hours or so Jones into Scottish

850
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:51,820
wilderness outside of Edinburgh have not

851
00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:54,010
ventured too far over to the Western

852
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:56,919
site but Scotland so no not yet but I

853
00:35:03,390 --> 00:34:59,700
suppose it's more north isn't it's yan

854
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:03,400
yes am almost you north of here I've

855
00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:05,950
been several times it's absolutely

856
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:07,960
beautiful as a stunning part of the

857
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:11,050
world you really don't need monsters you

858
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:13,300
don't need to that sort of rubbish to an

859
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:14,890
order to enjoy that's part of the world

860
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:18,490
so I recommend people just to ignore the

861
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:19,990
monster stories and just enjoy the

862
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:22,150
scenery now I see you must be part of

863
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:23,800
the conspiracy then to hide near see

864
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:27,910
other thing haha yeah I got my check

865
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:32,020
from big monster queer a big monster

866
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:33,850
check now I wish I could have some of

867
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:35,800
those a big wants to check from big

868
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:38,080
monster that's man now let's get back to

869
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,630
the phone I haven't been a loch ness

870
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,400
myself so I've been to Scotland a few

871
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:44,680
times and I have not made it up to been

872
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,880
to the Isle of Skye which is quite

873
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,030
pretty but not Loch Ness maybe next time

874
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:50,320
so getting back to the fringe the change

875
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:52,610
is on from the sick

876
00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:56,930
to the twenty eighth of august i mean

877
00:36:00,910 --> 00:35:59,060
apart from your involvement in the

878
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:00,920
fringe it's it's a time where the city

879
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:02,870
goes a bit bonkers i think it's it's a

880
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:05,600
really is a wonderful time and Umbra

881
00:36:13,810 --> 00:36:08,570
doesn't so well absolutely the sheer

882
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,820
range of genres and ideas that just you

883
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:15,680
know flows through the city for that

884
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:19,460
entire month long period it's absolutely

885
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:21,500
crazy you can walk down the street and

886
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:23,810
just see all manner of things and street

887
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:26,540
performers to people prosthet izing

888
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:29,270
about various things and I'm sure you

889
00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:31,250
know in a few years time and I've lived

890
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:34,700
here for a while I'll be as annoyed with

891
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:37,310
it as some of the residents are that

892
00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:40,970
Emma already you know when the city kind

893
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:42,740
of changes for this entire month of

894
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:44,270
August you'll you'll hear a lot of

895
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,200
locals who seem to really kind of hate

896
00:36:51,850 --> 00:36:49,760
it and hate what it does to their city

897
00:36:53,110 --> 00:36:51,860
but not out not all of them do there are

898
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:53,120
some people that really love what

899
00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:54,830
happens to their to their City during

900
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,840
that time obviously it's a new city for

901
00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:58,880
me but you know I've always wanted to

902
00:37:02,830 --> 00:37:00,950
come to the fringe and enjoy and I'm

903
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:02,840
glad that not only do I have a chance to

904
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:04,700
enjoy a friend i also have a chance to

905
00:37:10,570 --> 00:37:06,730
take part in it and it's such a rush

906
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:10,580
yeah I absolutely I've sadly haven't

907
00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:14,390
been to Scotland for the fringe that's

908
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:16,040
something certainly on the old bucket

909
00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:18,760
list I'd love to do that and I'm quite

910
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:22,670
quite sad I won't be attending QED again

911
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:25,340
this year my myself that's that's not

912
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:27,410
too hard to get to i discovered there's

913
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:28,760
actually a train that runs from

914
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:31,190
edinburgh to manchaca Manchester which

915
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:32,900
is quite handy so I don't know how many

916
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:35,000
people take advantage of that but I've

917
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:37,310
done it and that worked quite well well

918
00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:39,470
gentlemen well that's great thanks for

919
00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:42,020
taking time to have a chat with me I

920
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,660
know it's late in the evening in in

921
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:46,640
Attenborough again what an awful part of

922
00:37:51,790 --> 00:37:49,130
the world that is now how can people in

923
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:51,800
the UK Scotland especially how can they

924
00:37:56,770 --> 00:37:54,890
get in in touch with you mark there are

925
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:56,780
many ways we have our website which is

926
00:38:03,880 --> 00:37:59,720
at Edinburgh skeptics coat UK we're also

927
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:03,890
on facebook and twitter as well people

928
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:05,630
in the UK you want to find out more

929
00:38:08,770 --> 00:38:06,050
about

930
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:08,780
events can look on facebook obviously

931
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,650
and we're also on meetup com which is

932
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:14,240
something that's used in quite a few

933
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:17,180
large cities for promoting events so

934
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:19,750
you'll find all of our events on there

935
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:22,940
you can listen to our podcast we have

936
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:26,240
lots of past talks and interviews with

937
00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:29,060
some of our speakers we we try and

938
00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:30,590
record as many of our talks and

939
00:38:33,850 --> 00:38:32,030
interviews with us because as possible

940
00:38:35,710 --> 00:38:33,860
just to you know give people more

941
00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:35,720
information and more background into the

942
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:37,550
kind of people that come and talk to us

943
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:39,410
and find out a little bit more about

944
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:41,960
their work and also find out a bit more

945
00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:44,660
about them as a person we're very big on

946
00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:47,020
the community aspect of skepticism and

947
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:48,980
learning a bit more about you know

948
00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:51,470
people that come in and do these talks

949
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,840
and and what they do in their life is

950
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:55,520
really interesting to find out all the

951
00:38:59,650 --> 00:38:57,050
different approaches to escapes and so I

952
00:39:01,600 --> 00:38:59,660
would urge your listeners to download

953
00:39:04,270 --> 00:39:01,610
our podcast and listen to some of our

954
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:04,280
past events and this is the podcast have

955
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:05,750
a specific name or is it just the

956
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:08,990
Edinburgh skeptics podcast it is the

957
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:11,210
enema skeptics podcaster I think better

958
00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:14,450
we do we do several types of shows so

959
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:16,700
you know we kind of tag and label them

960
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,380
all differently depending on and what it

961
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:19,760
is but yes they're all in the one feat

962
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:23,060
of course I'll add the links to the

963
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:25,880
various URLs in the show notes or really

964
00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:27,830
i guess if people just googled it in bro

965
00:39:32,290 --> 00:39:29,270
skeptics they can't go wrong they should

966
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:32,300
be able to find that and I believe that

967
00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:36,470
Shawn there is also a newsletter yeah by

968
00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:39,590
purchase a newsletter um i like to say

969
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:42,340
every farne but it's kind of periodical

970
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:44,390
when I can get round to doing it but

971
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:46,010
issues at least once a month to get a

972
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:48,110
newsletter out to people seek a sign up

973
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:50,290
that on the website fairly easily and

974
00:39:54,430 --> 00:39:52,250
promise we won't bombard you with

975
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:54,440
anything else it sounds like a good deal

976
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:56,660
to me and maybe you can even mention in

977
00:39:59,770 --> 00:39:57,770
your next newsletter that you're

978
00:40:02,170 --> 00:39:59,780
appearing on the skeptic zone that would

979
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:02,180
be pretty cool well Jen's wonderful to

980
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:04,430
talk with you how I miss visiting

981
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:06,050
Scotland I have to do it again maybe

982
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:09,380
next year we can find out some sort of

983
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:12,530
strange way I can I can come up and do a

984
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:15,020
presentation of origami spoon bending of

985
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:17,410
the fringe whoever that would be awesome

986
00:40:22,990 --> 00:40:19,490
well we'd love to have you a lot

987
00:40:24,609 --> 00:40:23,000
to hell yeah but for now mark peddler

988
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:24,619
who is the vice chair I should have said

989
00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:27,170
of the embryo skeptics new ranges things

990
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:29,660
like the podcast and sean slater who is

991
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:31,660
on the committee thank you very much

992
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:43,340
you

993
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,050
edinburgh the home of the Scottish

994
00:40:51,090 --> 00:40:48,400
enlightenment the city that produced

995
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:51,100
skeptical luminaries as David Hume James

996
00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:53,670
Hutton Peter hates and Mary Somerville

997
00:40:58,740 --> 00:40:56,950
Edinburgh the Athens of the north which

998
00:41:01,100 --> 00:40:58,750
were 300 years has been at the forefront

999
00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:01,110
of science medicine and the arms

1000
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:04,540
Edinburgh form to insanely successful to

1001
00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:07,360
discuss to us and wanted pubs in August

1002
00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:09,460
the city horse the world's biggest Arts

1003
00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:11,590
Festival where the population seems to

1004
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:13,000
double when the streets are awash with

1005
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:14,980
wanna be comedians all vying for our

1006
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:17,530
attention who in the right mind worked

1007
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:18,700
in the middle of all this train

1008
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:20,500
organized 23 different for these

1009
00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:22,930
skeptical events across 23 consecutive

1010
00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:26,980
nights animal skeptics that's who from

1011
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:28,540
saturday the six to Sunday the

1012
00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:30,130
twenty-sixth of August will be putting

1013
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:32,350
on different three talked every single

1014
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:34,450
night within the Banshee labyrinth on

1015
00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:37,060
the g street at 750 if you're coming up

1016
00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:38,860
to the city in august please check out

1017
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:40,540
our website adam at a skeptic store

1018
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:42,310
called it UK for the full lineup and

1019
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:44,770
please come along and say hi Annabella

1020
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:56,050
you

1021
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:00,710
here's Maynard spooky action at a

1022
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:07,800
distance hey look you wouldn't thought

1023
00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:11,130
at the totally 80s gig there'd be a

1024
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:13,080
confluence of skeptics but we've got a

1025
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:15,090
couple of skeptics here at the backstage

1026
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:17,610
party at the end of the Melbourne to who

1027
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:20,940
we got here hi dr. Mel Thompson and stay

1028
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:24,630
fine on twin up on Twitter now Steve now

1029
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:26,730
what's a skeptic a genuine a gender

1030
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:28,050
you've been pushing you to backstage

1031
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:29,640
party it doesn't seem like a place

1032
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:32,250
that's open to critical thinking oh I

1033
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,630
don't know there seems to be a whole

1034
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:35,820
bunch of fun people here not

1035
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:36,930
particularly concerned about their

1036
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:38,490
critical thinking skills at this point

1037
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:40,650
just to meet a few of my favs from the

1038
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:43,410
80s that's true and of course dr. Tom to

1039
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:45,240
the glue she'll be pushing the agenda of

1040
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:48,060
women in academia here tonight yes well

1041
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,380
suddenly and I've seen some fabulous

1042
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:51,720
women here tonight and I've been very

1043
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:53,580
impressed with the performance of all

1044
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:55,710
the ladies a particularly Katrina from

1045
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,720
katrina and the waves we had a fabulous

1046
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,880
on Steve and I were absolutely rocking

1047
00:43:04,610 --> 00:43:02,400
on down we got up off our seats we stood

1048
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:04,620
at the back and partied on quite hard to

1049
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:06,750
walking on sunshine I was talking

1050
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,940
earlier to Stacey Q and I was about to

1051
00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:10,410
say something about atheism or something

1052
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:11,340
and then she revealed to choose a

1053
00:43:15,590 --> 00:43:14,010
Tibetan Buddhist now now that's actually

1054
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,600
more of a philosophy than actually

1055
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:18,000
worshipping a deity is that correct yeah

1056
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,070
as far as I understand it's just one of

1057
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:22,800
those vague life styling sorts of things

1058
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:25,410
be nice to people don't kill animals

1059
00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:27,330
look I say she described to me how it's

1060
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:31,080
not so much a religion it just is and I

1061
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:33,180
thought wow that's a very zen thing

1062
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:35,370
isn't it well exactly that's Buddhism

1063
00:43:39,130 --> 00:43:37,500
for you it just is but with anything to

1064
00:43:41,350 --> 00:43:39,140
say that martika mentioned

1065
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:41,360
I Catholicism today yes she hasn't

1066
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:43,130
mentioned that anything before I know

1067
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:44,540
she mentioned how she'd written the

1068
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:46,940
lyrics to love thy will be done I think

1069
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:49,310
it is and happens with the music to it

1070
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:50,390
but you never mentioned that it was

1071
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:51,950
cause she was a Catholic girl amongst

1072
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:54,320
right around prayer she seems a very

1073
00:43:59,260 --> 00:43:57,230
spiritual person still but I don't know

1074
00:44:01,300 --> 00:43:59,270
she would consider us off a kathleen

1075
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:01,310
yeah why was more interested in Terri

1076
00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:03,950
Nunn from Berlin mentioning her some of

1077
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the medic in the army so that was that

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was very poignant and looked at video

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they put with it was pretty moving as

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well yeah okay so look for many skeptics

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who don't actually get backstage to sort

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of an after-show party how would you

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describe it for them because I think

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it's important that someone who doesn't

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00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:22,430
work in this hey well I'm looking around

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on the side I'm saying empty magnums of

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00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:26,570
Maui and I'm saying a couple of empty

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00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:29,060
grey goose vodka bottles so I don't

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worry pretty high quality Stevie you can

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be used to this in a science field

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wouldn't it oh I wish there's a public

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servant for 44 years I don't think I've

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00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:41,420
ever seen a bottle on Maui well of all

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the people here who would you like me to

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try and get you to me Katrina oh yeah we

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love one of the fangirl you know what a

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fangirl i do have to say katrina is the

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one who has had the best rider of all of

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them a lot of them had food and water oh

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no no lots and lots of bombs of beer

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00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:01,520
over there you go well maybe okay well

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I'll turn the microphone off because I'm

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sorry not everything is public will

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00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:23,829
excuse me Dave's Terry from real life

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because it does inter late lap with the

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00:45:29,319 --> 00:45:27,710
whole skeptical issue do the lyrics to

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00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,329
send me an angel have anything to do

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00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:31,040
with you being an atheist already do you

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00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:33,050
believe in heaven above do believe in

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00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:34,460
love they don't have anything to do with

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00:45:40,329 --> 00:45:36,950
any eighth you some ideas or not no

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00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:40,339
actually no no it was a really it was a

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real question that i was asking and I

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don't with a holder it came from I just

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don't know okay I know it was written in

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five minutes I was written in five

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00:45:54,819 --> 00:45:53,270
minutes I'll just like what was the

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other one by the jam number that's

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00:45:58,839 --> 00:45:56,990
entertainment was written in fibers now

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00:46:13,039 --> 00:45:58,849
now exactly what song is written very

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00:46:16,979 --> 00:46:15,029
well there you guys so you've actually

1122
00:46:18,749 --> 00:46:16,989
got to meet Katrina for Katrina to the

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00:46:22,589 --> 00:46:18,759
waves there Steve how did it go totally

1124
00:46:24,929 --> 00:46:22,599
fangirl I was just a quivering mess and

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00:46:27,269 --> 00:46:24,939
dr. mo you get to see me see I was going

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00:46:29,099 --> 00:46:27,279
steep don't fanboy don't finger and he

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00:46:31,499 --> 00:46:29,109
was not listening you're realistic it's

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00:46:33,479 --> 00:46:31,509
completely ignoring you made up that to

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00:46:36,419 --> 00:46:33,489
be fair she was very gracious and she

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put up with the fangirl castling last

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00:46:40,529 --> 00:46:38,890
time and and did she just go oh I just

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00:46:42,209 --> 00:46:40,539
see something over there I must go and

1133
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,219
do i need to go to the toilet or

1134
00:46:46,589 --> 00:46:44,319
something yeah where's the grey goose

1135
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:46,599
vodka I think she said yeah I took over

1136
00:46:50,249 --> 00:46:47,890
that yeah I should have kept a closer

1137
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:50,259
eye on your sitting you did / do it a

1138
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little bit and just let the sphere

1139
00:46:55,739 --> 00:46:54,249
listen for all skeptical investors when

1140
00:46:57,989 --> 00:46:55,749
you when you meet a famous person you

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00:47:00,239 --> 00:46:57,999
say one or two things to them and then

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00:47:02,999 --> 00:47:00,249
if they're engaging continue if they're

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00:47:04,769 --> 00:47:03,009
not engaging just on the note you don't

1144
00:47:06,059 --> 00:47:04,779
terminate the conversation but just

1145
00:47:07,799 --> 00:47:06,069
thank them and when you think them

1146
00:47:12,059 --> 00:47:07,809
that's their opportunity to leave or

1147
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:12,069
stay in this is actually did I thank

1148
00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:51,660
you told me

1149
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:00,250
SI esta simple idiot hey Sal who guys

1150
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:02,270
guys I just had the most amazing

1151
00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:04,490
experience what experience unders unders

1152
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:06,320
have you been to the pub I told you not

1153
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,150
to hang out with mash you know she was

1154
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:10,640
blessed by peter Popoff no yellow no i'm

1155
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:13,160
not talking about psychics it was a

1156
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:15,530
really SP experience now you have been

1157
00:48:20,050 --> 00:48:17,180
to the pub either that or you've been

1158
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:20,060
smoking something no pontus the ESB is

1159
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:22,490
the European skeptics podcast it's the

1160
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,590
most amazing thing you get to know so

1161
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:26,720
much about skeptics and their activities

1162
00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:29,570
across Europe you know events hot topics

1163
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:31,700
and interviews with lots of interesting

1164
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,890
people oh wow cool by the way pointers

1165
00:48:38,050 --> 00:48:35,660
you just committed the false dichotomy

1166
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:38,060
fallacy I guess that means I'm really

1167
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:40,910
wrong yep and you can even learn about

1168
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:42,950
those fallacies in the show and hear

1169
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:45,410
about people spreading silly ideas you

1170
00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:47,690
should really check it out it's the ESP

1171
00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:50,660
the European skeptics podcast it's on

1172
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:53,540
never weak alright so where can I get

1173
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:55,700
this is the experience it sounds good

1174
00:49:01,630 --> 00:48:58,370
you can go online at the ESP do to you

1175
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:01,640
follow it on twitter at es podcast and

1176
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:04,460
the score EU or like the podcast on

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00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:06,590
facebook oh and you can also contact the

1178
00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:09,650
show by sending them an email to info at

1179
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:13,430
the ESPE you and if you want to

1180
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:15,530
subscribe do a quick search for the

1181
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:18,290
european skeptic podcast on soundcloud

1182
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:21,640
itunes or stitcher

1183
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:44,210
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1184
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:48,660
zone and any support you can offer Fiona

1185
00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:51,630
O'Leary would be gratefully accepted i

1186
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,580
am sure maybe if you can even just

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00:49:59,300 --> 00:49:55,520
spread the word of this foolishness

1188
00:50:02,720 --> 00:49:59,310
going on and Fiona's work in promoting

1189
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:02,730
the concerns of the autistic community

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00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:05,640
there in Ireland a note for those people

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00:50:09,350 --> 00:50:07,350
in Australia if you want to nominate

1192
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,360
someone for the Australian skeptics bent

1193
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:13,200
spoon award you can do so via skeptics

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00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:15,870
calm day you just check the links there

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while you're there sign up for the free

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00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:32,790
like the upcoming dinner meeting which I

1202
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:35,250
believe there are still some tickets for

1203
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,560
that turning up on next week's show I'm

1204
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:39,300
going to be chatting about Australia's

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00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:41,840
science channel brought to us by the

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rirs people the Royal Institution of

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00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:46,590
Australia we used to play a week in

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00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:48,840
science that's been discontinued sadly

1209
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:51,390
but the Royal Institution have been very

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00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,670
busy to have another own science channel

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00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:55,740
we might see if we can chat the Paul

1212
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:57,000
Willis or at least fill you in more

1213
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,740
about the Australian science channel

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00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:01,200
it's a really really good endeavor and

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thank you to my new patrons my new

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00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:16,860
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00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:20,160
people like you yes you listening to me

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00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,710
on the train well the bus you doing the

1222
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:25,140
dishes you walking the dog right now

1223
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:27,450
listening to me it's because of people

1224
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:30,750
like you the show keeps going and

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00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,390
hopefully hopefully entertains you at

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00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:36,960
least and gives you interesting

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00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,320
information each week but for this week

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this is Richard Saunders Oh Henrietta

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00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:45,840
and Maude be skeptical kittens now

1230
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,850
teenage cats I guess you'd have to say

1231
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:50,400
you're doing very well growing like like

1232
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:51,540
little cats do

1233
00:51:58,220 --> 00:51:54,270
they're learning how to scratch the door

1234
00:52:00,350 --> 00:51:58,230
and demand food very skeptical anyway

1235
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:00,360
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00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:06,390
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